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Thu 2009-10-08 13:43
A difficult matter
[Poll #1468128]

In case anyone has the energy to try to think up names based on what the font actually looks like: a couple of small sample images showing the difference between my font and standard Lilypond are visible in the comments to last week's post.

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[personal profile] simontThu 2009-10-08 12:49
And before anyone else asks: yes, I have seen Cheese or Font. :-)
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[identity profile] damerell.livejournal.comThu 2009-10-08 14:03
It's not as good as "Postbox or Cheese".
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[personal profile] emperorThu 2009-10-08 12:53
Are you going to send it to the lilypond developers?
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[personal profile] simontThu 2009-10-08 12:57
I'll let them know about it. I'm guessing they probably won't adopt it as a replacement for their own (though they're welcome to do so, of course, or to nick whichever parts of it they like), but I would at least like to suggest one or two small changes to LP itself as a result of the project.

(Most obviously a command-line option to make it easy to drop in a different font, now that a compatible one exists. Also I had to put in a nasty hack to get the time signature digits correctly centred, and they're still not quite perfect; a small change to the layout algorithm would be a better solution and enable me to take my nasty hack back out.)
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[identity profile] the-alchemist.livejournal.comThu 2009-10-08 13:05
I quite strongly dislike Baroquefort because baroque art and music are full of ornate twiddly bits, and your font is pleasingly free of them. Plus it feels too specific to a particular type of music.

Conversely I like Score-gonzola because [I think] the term 'score' applies to all written music, and therefore everything your font will be used for, whereas some of the things your font will be used for have nothing to do with trebles, mezzos, or forte-ness.

I like Yarg second best.
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[personal profile] simontThu 2009-10-08 13:49
Interesting reasoning! Hadn't occurred to me at all, but yes, I think I agree that Baroquefort is (though a neat pun in itself) precisely wrong for the font's style.

(The person who thought up Score-gonzola will probably be surprised to find that it was anyone's first choice, given that his comment immediately after thinking of it was "Um. Perhaps I shouldn't try this when sleepy" :-)
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[identity profile] mooism.livejournal.comThu 2009-10-08 13:12
Naming it without reference to Lilypond shouldn't mean you can't gratuitously use a cheese pun anyway.
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[personal profile] rmc28Thu 2009-10-08 13:37
I vote for this :)

I like Treble Gloucester best.
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[personal profile] gerald_duckThu 2009-10-08 13:27
On the other hand, I think it ought to be the name of a British cheese, so I prefer Treble Gloucester to the other punning names.

Or maybe "Cathedral Ditty", "Colston Bass"?
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[personal profile] gerald_duckThu 2009-10-08 13:27
Also, I recall the Acorn tradition of naming fonts after Cambridge colleges. So what's really needed is a three-way pun between a Cambridge college, a cheese and a musical term.

But I can't think of one. )-8
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[identity profile] geekette8.livejournal.comThu 2009-10-08 13:58
Allegronville & Cheese?

OK, maybe not.
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[identity profile] woodpijn.livejournal.comThu 2009-10-08 14:06
There's potential in Caius/cheese/keys, but it's hard to come up with one phrase where all three meanings are apparent. "Gonville & Keese" doesn't quite do it.
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[identity profile] woodpijn.livejournal.comThu 2009-10-08 14:08
...and someone else had almost the same idea at the same time.
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[personal profile] simontThu 2009-10-08 14:08
I could just call it "Gonville", which is a decently respectable font name, and let all of that be implicit. Hmmm.
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[personal profile] lnrThu 2009-10-08 14:15
I quite like that approach.
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[identity profile] pseudomonas.livejournal.comThu 2009-10-08 14:38
I like this.
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[identity profile] bjh21.livejournal.comThu 2009-10-08 15:25
I observe that name is one that Acorn seem to have managed to avoid.
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[identity profile] pne.livejournal.comFri 2009-10-09 12:09
I like this suggestion quite a bit.
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[identity profile] woodpijn.livejournal.comThu 2009-10-08 15:22
In a similar can't-quite-make-it-work way, there's potential in cheeses/Jesus/Gsus.

And I was trying to make something from Emma and emmental, but I can't find a musical angle; maybe someone who knows more musical terms can think of one?
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[personal profile] simontThu 2009-10-08 15:24
I think Emmental is out anyway, because it's one of the cheeses Lilypond has already used.
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[identity profile] woodpijn.livejournal.comThu 2009-10-08 15:25
That's a shame; I'd just got as far as "EmmanTallis"
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[personal profile] deborah_cThu 2009-10-08 14:14
Of course, Lincolnshire Poacher is both a British cheese and a traditional British folk song...
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[identity profile] mooism.livejournal.comThu 2009-10-08 14:08
I don't like Scoregonzola and Mezzorella as names because they force the pub into your face. Whereas Treble Gloucester / Baroquefort / Roqueforte, whatever faults they may have, allow you to ignore the pun --- remain oblivious of it, even --- and use it as a plain old name when that's what you want. Which is most of the time.
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[identity profile] mooism.livejournal.comThu 2009-10-08 14:09
Pun. They force the pun into your face. Forcing an entire pub into your face would be... messy...
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[personal profile] simontThu 2009-10-08 14:11
It'd be like getting glassed simultaneously with about five hundred glasses. AND A LARGE BUILDING.
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[identity profile] bjh21.livejournal.comThu 2009-10-08 15:18
Hmm. I need a name for a font, too, but I doubt I can use any of your cast-offs. Though "bedstead" does have some appeal.
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[identity profile] hilarityallen.livejournal.comThu 2009-10-08 17:46
I suspect a cheese-name is insufficiently angular/blocky for your font.
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[identity profile] woodpijn.livejournal.comThu 2009-10-08 15:18
Maybe Stiltone / Stiltonic?

I think there's a danger with Roqueforte of people thinking it's simply a misspelling.
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[identity profile] xraycb.livejournal.comThu 2009-10-08 15:39
There's an obvious blue/blues connection, but nothing really stands out.

Yarg ought to be a recursive acronym: Yarg's A Replacement Glyphset.

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[personal profile] gerald_duckThu 2009-10-08 17:12
Maybe just "Blues"?
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[identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.comThu 2009-10-08 16:13
I really like all of Score-gonzola, Baroquefort, Yarg and Bedstead, but then I don't mind if they don't make any sense on first hearing. I'd ideally like a pun on as many as possible of: curve types, lily, pond, and cheese, but that's probably too much to hope for.
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[personal profile] simontThu 2009-10-08 16:17
Mmm, I did briefly try to think of names related to involutes, but nothing came to mind. Perhaps I ought to try harder; an involute-related name would do particularly well at describing this music font as opposed to other music fonts rather than merely finding a clever way to say that it is a music font.
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[identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.comThu 2009-10-08 16:21
Exactly. But yes, I didn't have any good ideas. But it sounds like at least if you pick Scoregonzola no-one else'll be wanting the name :) (To me it sounds very natural and not forced at all.)
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[personal profile] simontThu 2009-10-08 16:24
Perhaps I should get round to the follow-up post which explains all the involute stuff to people who haven't already had me talk their ears off about it, and then see if that inspires any more name suggestions from anyone.
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[identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.comThu 2009-10-08 17:28
:)
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[identity profile] samholloway.livejournal.comThu 2009-10-08 16:30
Before I looked behind the cut, I thought a name beginning with Score was appropriate. Hence that would point towards Scoregonzola, although I prefer it without the hyphen.

Yarg's good, too.
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[identity profile] scribb1e.livejournal.comThu 2009-10-08 17:05
How about goldenball? As I recall, the princess dropped her golden ball into a lilypond with excellent results - it was returned to her by a frog who turned out to be a prince.

Perhaps there's a pun on 'prints/prince' in there if you really want to scrape the bottom of the barrel...

(Doesn't have much to do with music, I'm afraid)
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[identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.comThu 2009-10-08 17:28
Good for puns too :)
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[identity profile] gjm11.livejournal.comThu 2009-10-08 23:32
Of the ones mentioned so far, I like Yarg and Gonville the best. I hate hate hate anything that requires a hyphen to point out the pun; you might as well call your font "Score-gonzola, gettit? eh? eh?". But I think your font should have THREE DIFFERENT NAMES. (Well, actually, I don't, but I thought you might like to know that your titular joke didn't go unnoticed. I'm quite sure I'm not in fact the first person to notice it.)

I would prefer a name that's musical on its face and cheesy underneath rather than vice versa. The cheese proposals so far are all the other way around.
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[personal profile] simontSat 2009-10-10 12:27
I hadn't actually thought to take the joke that far, but you might be entertained to hear that the font file format I have to write out as part of the font's build script does in fact require me to fill in three separate name fields! (Font family name, font name, full name.)
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[identity profile] scribb1e.livejournal.comFri 2009-10-09 12:57
'Gusto'? Musical term, means tasteful, also applicable to cheese.

I also like Yarg. Just because it's a cool word.
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