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simont ([personal profile] simont) wrote2010-08-11 11:58 am

More words I wish there were

Words for similar but distinct concepts, that are not themselves similar. The ELF standard for object and executable files contains two concepts which are similar enough to confuse, but different enough that it's normally important not to confuse them, and they're called ‘section’ and ‘segment’. I often wish they'd been called by more obviously different names: ‘section’ and ‘kangaroo’, or something. And I was just reminded this morning of another similar case: ‘project manager’ and ‘product manager’ as distinct corporate roles.

If two concepts are similar but distinct, the words for them should not reflect this by also being similar but distinct! They should be as different as possible.

Moral versus probabilistic ‘expect’. This might fall into the same general category as yesterday's moral vs tactical ‘should’, though I'm not sure whether ‘probabilistic’ and ‘tactical’ are similar enough for it to count. But even if so, it's a particularly noticeable sub-case of it and worth mentioning in its own right.

Imagine a parent saying to a child, before going to visit someone for the day, ‘Now I expect you to be on your best behaviour’; and then, when the child has left the room to get ready, they turn to their co-parent and say ruefully ‘I expect him to throw a huge screaming tantrum, so we'd better be ready to leave in a hurry’. Two clearly distinct words for ‘expect’, please!

[identity profile] crazyscot.livejournal.com 2010-08-11 11:09 am (UTC)(link)
At a former orkplace we - the tech team - found ourselves dealing with both product management and product marketing, which pitched themselves as distinct roles but were often both confusingly referred to as "PM". I saw so little of one of those role holders, I'm still not entirely sure what the distinction was.
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[identity profile] ewx.livejournal.com 2010-08-11 11:14 am (UTC)(link)
'request' or 'order' (etc), and 'predict'?

(Anonymous) 2010-08-11 11:22 am (UTC)(link)
Are you determined to remove all the things that make English actually worth speaking, and reduce it to something computer-parsable?

s.

[identity profile] songster.livejournal.com 2010-08-11 12:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Heh. One thing I'm learning is never to phrase an order as a question. If I turn to James and say "Now, are you going to be a good boy tonight?", he looks me straight in the eye and says "I don't know". The dangers of having a logical son.

[identity profile] meihua.livejournal.com 2010-08-11 12:24 pm (UTC)(link)
There's no such thing as a moral "expect". That's just a guilt-enducing ploy by the parents. "I expect you to be on good behaviour. If you're not on good behaviour, it will show that you're not as good a person as I think you are, and I'll revise my expectation of you so that I think of you as a worse person from now on."

[identity profile] factherd.livejournal.com 2010-08-11 12:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Also, "program manager". Though in that case you can rely it vanishing due to the fashion cycle in business jargon, in the same way that all the higher-ups in my company used the word "skew" obsessively for about 9 months in 2007-8.

[identity profile] valkyriekaren.livejournal.com 2010-08-11 12:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Hope and predict?

[identity profile] pseudomonas.livejournal.com 2010-08-11 02:08 pm (UTC)(link)
There's a whole load of the type 2 things, if memory serves they're epistemic(expressing a belief) vs deontic (expressing a desire or an order). I'm not sure to what extent it's a feature of the language that things are so consistently dual-purposed.

[identity profile] the-alchemist.livejournal.com 2010-08-11 04:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Hypoglycaemic and Hyperglycaemic is my least favourite example of the former.
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[personal profile] pm215 2010-08-11 09:11 pm (UTC)(link)
The other thing that gets me about the ELF terminology is that the sections are listed in the section header table, but the segments are listed in the program header table...

[identity profile] feanelwa.livejournal.com 2010-08-13 05:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Also declare and define which I may still get as far as colour coding so I can tell the stupid things apart.