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Fri 2009-02-13 14:40
Self-trust

‘A woman of wisdom,’ Brennan said, ‘once told me that it is wisest to regard our past selves as fools beyond redemption – to see the people we once were as idiots entire. I do not necessarily say this myself; but it is what she said to me, and there is more than a grain of truth in it. As long as we are making excuses for the past, trying to make it look better, respecting it, we cannot make a clean break.’

http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/05/eld-science.html

I stumbled across the above quotation the other day when chasing links from another blog, and it inspired me to get round to writing up something I've been thinking about for a while.

I can understand and agree with Brennan's observation that there is some truth in the quoted proposition; but where he says he doesn't ‘necessarily’ agree with it completely, I'd go further than that and say that I strongly disagree with it as a universal premise. One of the things I'm most pleased with about my own mind is my ability to trust my past self, when it's appropriate.

This typically occurs when you've previously given some thought to a situation, and decided – dispassionately, carefully, and in a calm and collected fashion – what would be the best thing to do in that situation. But suppose the nature of the situation is … I want to say ‘emotionally loud’, by which I mean that it evokes some sort of strong concentration-disrupting emotions, possibly conflicting ones, when you're in it for real. Now your emotions are screaming at you to do something other than what you previously thought you should do, or perhaps even several contradictory other things. Worse still, they corrupt and seduce your rational thought processes, so that the wrong courses of action are not merely emotionally desirable, but now even seem sensible to you because your brain has got into a state where it's wilfully forgotten all the reasons why they're not.

At this sort of moment, the only thing arguing in favour of your pre-prepared choice is the memory that it's what you decided when you were thinking straight. To let that small quiet voice of memory, shorn of all its supporting reasoning and arguments, overrule all the reasons why the other courses of action seem obviously right to you right now takes a certain measure of stubbornness, a certain measure of self-control, but even more than both it takes something that I tend to think of as self-trust to motivate you in the first place to exercise that self-control and stubbornness: one is trusting one's past self to know better than one's current self, and consciously abdicating the attempt to decide on a course of action in favour of letting it decide for you.

It's even more difficult if you haven't considered the exact situation before, but have merely thought about things distantly related to it and worked out some general and extremely vague principles of wisdom (of the general level of vagueness of, say, ‘don't overreach’). To act on one of those principles when your emotions have seduced your rational thought processes into being convinced that the details of the current situation render the principle inapplicable requires considerable self-trust.

I don't claim to be outstanding at displaying this quality. But I manage it on a reasonably regular basis, and it's one of the things that makes me feel most pleased with myself afterwards: when my head is once again clear I'm able to look back on what I did in the middle of the chaos, remember all the reasons why it really was the right thing to do, and take pride in having managed to do it in spite of having forgotten all those reasons at the time I made the choice.

Science fiction occasionally writes about super-rational beings – whether AIs, aliens, superevolved humans or merely highly trained actual humans – which are capable of making the right decision for the right reasons by means of having their reasoning processes actually be unaffected by emotional pressure (except in that they can note the existence of those emotions and dispassionately treat them as another datum to reason with). In the absence of that highly desirable but frankly unrealistic capability, I tend to think that self-trust of this nature is the closest we poor mortals can come to achieving the same effects. The sage Brennan quotes above would have us throw out, with the bathwater of closed-minded unwillingness to revise an entrenched but wrong opinion, that not inconsiderable baby.

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[identity profile] meihua.livejournal.comFri 2009-02-13 15:00
I think you're equivocating on "past selves" between, "A decision I made four months ago when my head was clear", and, "What I did five years back and I've learned a lot since then".

Or, more formally, assuming continuous self-change, I think the quote you cited is talking about a period of time long enough for the amount of self-change to be sufficient that the person you were then is different to the person you are now.
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[personal profile] simontFri 2009-02-13 15:07
I reject the premise that that period of time is quantifiable independently of the proposition in question. It isn't a question of whether I'm a different person in general; it's (ideally) a question of whether anything has changed in the premises on which I based my thoughts about the particular situation. One decision I considered ten years ago may still be valid if the situation comes up now, while another that I considered last week may already need revisiting.
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[identity profile] meihua.livejournal.comFri 2009-02-13 15:19
Oh, sure, I completely agree with that.
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[personal profile] simontFri 2009-02-13 15:22
But yeah, deciding in any given case whether the virtue of self-trust or that of self-distrust is the right one to apply is certainly the fun question :-)
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[identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.comThu 2009-02-19 16:06
Exactly. Except that I would have thought that a lot of the time it in fact it ought to be reasonably clear which applies.

The quoted sentiment seems to be "when you realise you used to think something different [and implicitly: that the new thought is, on considering both, obviously the correct one] you shouldn't attempt to justify the old thought, but to accept that you changed".

Conversely, the situation you describe is I think generally when a temporary emotional response overrides a previously clear decision (and implicitly that the previous decision was likely to be correct).

However, once you get as far as diffing the old-you and new-you attitudes, it seems likely that which is appropriate will be obvious.
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[identity profile] woodpijn.livejournal.comFri 2009-02-13 15:10
I very much agree with you. Also, your description is extremely similar to how CS Lewis describes the virtue of faith.
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[personal profile] nameandnatureSun 2009-02-15 03:10
See also [livejournal.com profile] gjm11's thoughts on faith.

ISTM that [livejournal.com profile] simont, [livejournal.com profile] gjm11 and St Jack are all talking how to arrange to maintain a belief in the face of hazards to reason. I doubt Brennan and Jefferysai (inasmuch as they're mouthpieces for Eliezer Yudkowsky) would be against that sort of thing. In the story, Brennan doesn't accept the quote is true of the scientists of our age, but he does use it as a jumping off point.

What Yudkowsky does say is that we ought to be wary of cached thoughts. If, in the cold light of day, we keep getting evidence that we're wrong, or worse yet, realise that a belief is such that we wouldn't know if it were wrong, it's appropriate to stage a crisis of faith.
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[personal profile] rmc28Fri 2009-02-13 15:18
Amusingly for your baby/bathwater metaphor, the first example that sprung to my mind for this is the Birth Plan all pregnant women are encouraged to produce these days.

Mine included a fair bit of "if bad thing X happens, do Y; if bad thing A happens, do B; in horrific circumstance G you must absolutely do H", which turned out to be a jolly good idea, as we did indeed end up following one of the (less horrific) alternate paths.

I suppose I experienced it less as a reinforcement to self-control as a "thank god I don't have to think about that, we already decided I was happy with what the doctor is suggesting". Tony might have experienced it differently.
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[personal profile] simontFri 2009-02-13 15:26
Mmm. Yes, I can certainly imagine that if you know a particular cluster of difficult situations is approaching and roughly when it'll arrive, that's a particularly good opportunity to have prepared your responses in advance and psyched yourself up to exercise self-trust.

When I wrote the post above I was mostly thinking in terms of things that come on you unexpectedly, because that's more the sort of thing that tends to happen to me. I'm inclined to think that having to exercise self-trust unexpectedly is qualitatively more difficult, other things being equal – but on the other hand I'd bet that the 'bad things' you're hinting at there are significantly worse than the ones I usually have to worry about :-)
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[personal profile] sparrowsionFri 2009-02-13 15:26
Maybe one could regard one's past self as an idiot savant…?
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[identity profile] feanelwa.livejournal.comFri 2009-02-13 15:59
That's odd - I am proud of exactly the opposite trait in myself for exactly the same reason. Some examples:
-When I was twelve I fell in love with physics. In terms of wanting an easy life, this is a stupid thing to do. Physics is hard. Why invest my whole life in learning to do it well irrespective of money, to the detriment of the ability to fit into society and be accepted by any of my peers until adulthood and even then only some of them, my free time, my sanity, and my stability, not even knowing whether I will be good enough to do it right? At the time I decided this was what I should do, I could see all these things happening as a result, but emotionally I couldn't do anything else but hang on. Now, I am glad I did it, even though if I'd chosen another path I could be happy, settled somewhere, surrounded by stable relationships and much richer.

-I have previously met people for whom an instinct in me just says "no, walk away, walk away now, do not be in the same room or the same building, do not eat their food, do not pretend to like them, run". I have ignored this to be polite, though been a little stand-offish with them and in return been blanked except when accompanied by more interesting people, and later they have abused friends who passed the test that I failed because of the instinct.

My current policy on surpriez offspring is that I don't know what I would do. I can't tell whether I would kill or keep such a foetus, because I trust my emotions at the hypothetical time to tell me what would be the best decision in the situation, more than I trust my rational sense now to decide. I think my instincts know more about the possibilities in the future than my rational self even pretends to.
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[personal profile] simontFri 2009-02-13 16:06
Very interesting. It sounds as if you have a better track record than I do of your emotionally driven snap judgments turning out later to have been (long-term) right. My emotions seem consistently good at suggesting crap decisions to me, so I've had to invest some effort in learning not to be swayed...
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[personal profile] zotzFri 2009-02-13 18:25
Science fiction occasionally writes about super-rational beings [ . . . ] In the absence of that highly desirable but frankly unrealistic capability

The neurologist Antonio Damasio has written of people with frontal-lobe lesions who become unable to engage emotionally with decision-making, and seem therefore to have great difficulty with the process. He argues that normal decision-making is far more dependent on emotional responses than has been supposed.

This doesn't affect your original point, of course - the difference is between a calm but informed choice and an overly-stressed (perhaps even panicked) response.
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[identity profile] sunflowerinrain.livejournal.comSat 2009-02-14 09:41
It sounds like a very good way to deal with matters. I usually let the emotions/instinct dictate the choice if they are shouting at me: sometimes they're right, sometimes not. My worst "decisions" have really been lack of action, which is trusting external forces or other people more than oneself. hm.

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[personal profile] gerald_duckSat 2009-02-14 12:19
Mmm. I seem hard-wired into contingency planning: one of the things that meant I didn't completely suck at being an I.T. Manager back when I got pushed inadvertently in that direction. It acts as a kind of averaging function on life: when things go wrong I know what to do, but when things go right I start worrying about what might go wrong next.

A related, but much more controversial, issue is people stuck in an emotionally fraught situation being advised by someone else who has experience and expertise in precisely that crisis. The standard litany of "They told me to do x. That's all very well but they've never been in situation y; they don't know how it feels!" impresses me little. Yes, your instincts might be right; yes, the experts might be wrong; yes, the media over-reports cases where those two occurrences coincide. Question the expert by all means, if time permits, but your best bet is probably to do what they say.
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