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Thu 2008-04-17 14:48

Misunderstanding what the difficult part of a job is. Specifically, the misapprehension that the hard part of a given job is thinking of a starting point or basic approach to the problem at all, when in fact the hard part is getting all the implementation details to work right given such an approach. People under this misapprehension will cheerfully suggest a variety of starting points, some of which might even be the right one but certainly none will be a good one you hadn't already thought of; they will then be puzzled when you look more rather than less irritated, and mysteriously don't thank them profusely for their vital contribution and spring immediately into action.

In extreme cases of this, the person will provide several basic approaches and (implicitly or explicitly) suggest that you ‘simply’ try all of them and see which one works best, apparently blissfully unaware that they've just attempted to multiply your workload by three or four (or perhaps even succeeded in doing so, if they're your manager).

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[identity profile] feanelwa.livejournal.comThu 2008-04-17 13:55
That is the thing that makes me want to beat my supervisor to death. Thank you, I hadn't defined it before.
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[identity profile] feanelwa.livejournal.comThu 2008-04-17 15:12
Oh, and then when I use the right approach, telling me it's too difficult for me and that I should try something else facile that I've already proved doesn't work.
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[identity profile] uisgebeatha.livejournal.comThu 2008-04-17 14:25
Hahaha. That's like every day at work. I either get sullenly suggested several wrong approaches from $student, or several (probably right) ones from various geeks. Sometimes, the hard part is stringing everything together and understanding what it is you have to do first before people leap gaily in to 'advise'.

/me buys in pile of O'Reilly books that don't talk back
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[identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.comThu 2008-04-17 14:46
Gah, yes, I know exactly what you mean.

To be fair, sometimes that's a fair approach. To someone who really doesn't know, or who has thought of only some possibilities and not looked further afield, a selection of suggested starting points would be useful.

Or even, someone is bringing themselves up to speed by thinking things through aloud from the start, hoping to get up to speed with where you are and maybe be able to help -- but uses a self-satisfied tone of voice that sounds as if what they said is the last word.

But either way, it's intensely aggravating when someone's opinion discounts all your thoughts and implies you're stupid for not having decided yet. I remember once playing dominos with dad in the pub with Dad, and there were a couple of kibitzers, old gentlemen who at least some of who have played the game for thirty years (and have an incredibly good intuition what to play next). I was hesitating over a move, it was near the end of the round, there were only a couple of dominos I could play, and I was trying to work out all the possibilities for the next play or two and ensure I had the smallest/no chance of giving away a big score. One kibitzer sees me stuck and points to a domino, saying "you could play this one". On which I feel really stupid, as there's no indication if that takes into account everything I'm thinking, or is simply a plausible play. And I can't ask, as Dad's sitting right there. Only later did I admit that the comment was really unhelpful, even if it had been helpful in spirit. (What was especially annoying is that it is quite possible he was utterly right, but even if so I'll never learn anything by randomly having right answers exposed to me if I've no way to approach them myself.)
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[personal profile] gerald_duckThu 2008-04-17 15:17
Though I much prefer the problems where the hard part is working out how to approach the problem.
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[personal profile] simontThu 2008-04-17 16:28
"The eldest plays the piano."
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[identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.comThu 2008-04-17 15:54
Or maybe they're parrots. If you're talking a mathematician and want to sound like you're making a valuable contribution, you can reasonably safely say something like "Perhaps you could use induction?" or "Why not use proof by contradiction?" Whatever they're doing, there's almost always _something_ to be gained by considering the induction, even if you already have, even if it cant' work :) (I don't think that actually has anything to do with your point, I just thought it was funny.)
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[identity profile] tigerfort.livejournal.comThu 2008-04-17 18:31
Just occasionally, the hard part can be working out which is the correct basic approach (that is, the one that will result in a solution that is fifty times faster than any other approach can produce, or requires fewest resources, or is the only one that will actually work, in extreme cases). But only occasionally, and in such cases the people who try pointing out numerous starting points to you are very unlikely to suggest the correct solution, because they probably haven't understood the problem - or why it matters what starting point you use....
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