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simont ([personal profile] simont) wrote2005-11-28 03:38 pm

Some things that annoy me

My distressing tendency to see the other person's point of view to the exclusion of my own. I visited a cobbler at lunchtime to ask if the blister-inducing blemish in one of my new boots was fixable. He said yes but he'd have to keep the boots for a while and charge £20, and then asked me why on earth I hadn't taken them back for a replacement instead. I couldn't think of any good reason, so I left the cobbler's feeling very stupid. Ten minutes later, I remembered: I'd wanted to know whether the problem was cheap and quick to fix, because if so then I'd prefer to have it fixed and not have to break in the replacement boots all over again! After he told me it would take days and half the price of the boots, then it seemed obviously sensible to try taking them back first. But while I was talking to him, all I could see was the obvious stupidity of my course of action from his point of view, and I'd totally forgotten why I made sense really.

People who can't distinguish between a premeditated punishment and an inescapable logical consequence of their action, and who expect mitigating circumstances to protect them from the latter as well as the former. ‘Sorry I didn't do X for you; I had no idea you needed it, but I would have if I'd known.’ ‘Well, that wasn't my fault; I couldn't tell you, because my phone (as it might be) was on the blink.’ I don't doubt it was; but that doesn't change the fact that if I don't know something needs doing, I'm unlikely to spontaneously do it! It's not as if I deliberately didn't do it to punish them for their failure to tell me about it. Just because you weren't to blame doesn't mean I was.

The spurious ‘of’ in phrases of the form ‘it's not even that funny of a joke’. Only remarkable, really, because it's not one of my usual pet grammar peeves; but I've encountered it several times very recently, so it's temporarily appeared in my top ten. I don't care whether you can tenuously justify the presence of the ‘of’; the additional word costs time, effort and space and the phrase is definitely correct without it, so why not save everyone the hassle and leave it in the inkwell where it belongs?

The way hot drinks accelerate their cooling when there are only two mouthfuls left. It honestly shouldn't be too much to ask that I should be able to drink my coffee at a constant slowish rate and have it still warm by the end of the cup; but no, the laws of physics have to get all ‘heat capacity’ and ‘surface area to volume ratio’ about it. If there is a Creator, he obviously doesn't drink coffee, or he'd have sorted this one out at the start of the universe.

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[personal profile] pm215 2005-11-28 03:46 pm (UTC)(link)
the laws of physics have to get all ‘heat capacity’ and ‘surface area to volume ratio’ about it

This one ought to be fixable with a suitably shaped coffee mug, then...

[identity profile] pjc50.livejournal.com 2005-11-28 04:06 pm (UTC)(link)
You need a DRM system: Digitally Restricted Mug, to prevent unauthorized sharing of your crockery.

[identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com 2005-11-28 04:30 pm (UTC)(link)
You could put something obnoxious smelling in the cup ;)

[identity profile] filecoreinuse.livejournal.com 2005-11-28 04:11 pm (UTC)(link)
How about a conical cup insert made of polystyrene?

[identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com 2005-11-28 04:25 pm (UTC)(link)
But if it's a silly shape (eg. a horn?) people wouldn't want it. Two problems, one solution.

[identity profile] mooism.livejournal.com 2005-11-28 03:59 pm (UTC)(link)
If there is a Creator, he obviously doesn't drink coffee, or he'd have sorted this one out at the start of the universe.
I prefer to believe that He'd have some other Purpose for the last two mouthfuls ;-)

[identity profile] ex-lark-asc.livejournal.com 2005-11-28 04:18 pm (UTC)(link)
inescapable logical consequence

I feel your pain, having today received my first ever negative Ebay feedback, from a complete fuckwit who expected me to conform exactly to his wishes including giving him a refund for something he was refusing to return to me. Really didn't seem to get the fact that behaving like you're on the make is not a good way to inspire goodwill in others.

[identity profile] ex-lark-asc.livejournal.com 2005-11-28 05:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh and also: cunningly-designed mug (http://www.gear-zone.co.uk/eshop/Aztec-05L-Shaped-Mug---Special.html).

[identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com 2005-11-28 04:27 pm (UTC)(link)
1. Oh god. This describes me so much. Nowadays I can get through, but I can spend an hour saying "I see what you're saying but" because my brain isn't built for "Maybe you really *don't* know what you're talking about."

2. Yep.

3. Oh. I never even noticed that one.

4. *shrug* I'm the Reeve and it works for me. I drink until my mouth hurts, and this has an inbuilt feedback mechanism.

[identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com 2005-11-28 04:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I was disagreeing with "If there is a Creator, he obviously doesn't drink coffee, or he'd have sorted this one out at the start of the universe"

[identity profile] jalbobble.livejournal.com 2005-11-28 04:36 pm (UTC)(link)
The spurious ‘of’ in phrases

Does this include things like 'The giant gelatinous blob of which I saw merrily strolling down the road yesterday'?

[identity profile] senji.livejournal.com 2005-11-28 04:43 pm (UTC)(link)
"The giant gelatinous blob of which I partook whilst merrily strolling down the road yesterday."

[identity profile] jalbobble.livejournal.com 2005-11-28 06:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Nonono, it's the blob doing the strolling.

[identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com 2005-11-28 04:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Wait, is that supposed to mean "...blob which I saw..."? That didn't occur to me, instead I parsed it as it must be a blob of something, with the 'which' refering to the something in another sentence somehow.

[identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com 2005-11-28 05:03 pm (UTC)(link)
"Something I particularly dislike is when all the sentient blancmange in the world coalesces into one organism, the giant gelatinous blob of which I saw strolling down the street yesterday."

But I admit I couldn't think of one at the time either.

Ooh, well spotted, yes. ...but nicely parsed.

Except not really -- it took an effort of will to read it the *other* way. I think it's that I haven't been exposed to that sort of mistake so my brain hasn't absorbed it as an adjunct to language. Whereas with more common mistakes, as I read them all the time, they corrupt my brain.

[identity profile] jalbobble.livejournal.com 2005-11-28 06:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Maybe I should have referred to different subject matter =P.

[identity profile] xraycb.livejournal.com 2005-11-28 05:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Perhaps one of these (http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/7433/) might help with the cold coffee problem.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_kent/ 2005-11-28 07:57 pm (UTC)(link)
You're going to have to develop a shape for a mug such that the surface area to volume ratio remains closer to constant all the way down. My first thought is that a conical coffee cup is a better solution.

[identity profile] mwk.livejournal.com 2005-11-28 08:12 pm (UTC)(link)
The spurious ‘of’ in phrases of the form ‘it's not even that funny of a joke’

This seems to me to perhaps be a pattern of speech from certain parts of the country, and nothing at all to do with grammar. Wot w(h)ere I come from, there are all manner of bizarre constructions, none of which behove to natural rules. Or sense. (My pet hate is the 'would of'/'would have' confusion, but with the accent, you can understand it.)

What you are really saying is that you don't like country folk... ;)

[identity profile] songster.livejournal.com 2005-11-28 09:34 pm (UTC)(link)
People who can't distinguish between a premeditated punishment and an inescapable logical consequence of their action

Or who can't distinguish between punishment and random bad luck. More broadly, those who can't distinguish between events which are down to someone's conscious actions and those which are not.

Two examples I'm thinking of:

1) Blaming ill people for being ill.

2) Spending your life unsuccessfully trying to find someone/something to blame for your own illnesses.

[identity profile] xaosenkosmos.livejournal.com 2005-11-28 09:51 pm (UTC)(link)
The spurious ‘of’ in phrases of the form ‘it's not even that funny of a joke’.

Oddly enough, in the English i speak, "It's not even that funny a joke" is more incorrect than "It's not even that funny of a joke."

It's worth noting that my English prefers "That needs done" over "That needs to be done."

So much of American English has been wonderfully polluted by German and Dutch =)