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Wed 2004-03-17 10:40

I've been noticing recently that I have terrible trouble using e-mail (or its close equivalent, Mono messages) in a conversational context.

I think it's because I mostly see e-mail as a means of getting a job done; it's a businesslike medium, used to send instructions, questions, answers, acknowledgments, and in general information that people need for some reason or another. Therefore, I tend to keep my messages to the point, answering precisely the questions asked.

So when someone sends me a message on Mono asking ‘How are you?’, my immediate instinct is to respond with a paragraph or two telling them how I am, and nothing more. Typically a few seconds after I send that message, I suddenly remember that this is a conversation, and that therefore it's entirely appropriate to ask ‘How are you?’ at the end of the message, so I send a hurried follow-up with that.

And when a friend sends me angsty mail about their life problems, I often find myself completely at a loss as to how to respond. In person, if I had nothing helpful to contribute, there'd be a whole range of appropriate responses: nods, grunts of acknowledgement, sympathetic looks, hugs etc, to reassure the person that at least I was listening and I cared even if I didn't have any concrete help to offer. In email I find this dreadfully awkward and quite often will fail to respond to such a mail if I don't have any actual content (as some part of my brain sees it) to contribute. A couple of weeks ago this caused someone to assume I didn't want to talk to them, which suggests that it's something I ought to work on solving…

I wonder if it might be about silence. In a face-to-face conversation, long silences feel very awkward, so one naturally brings up additional topics, starts new threads, etc, so that the conversation continues. But in email, long silences are perfectly normal. It's fundamentally interrupt-based: you get an email, answer it, and go back to what you were doing, and because turnaround time is often hours or days, you don't spend your time doing nothing but wait for the reply. So if the reply takes a bit longer, that's normal and you just find something else to do; and if the reply never arrives at all, it's often not something you'll even notice unless you were genuinely depending on it for something.

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[identity profile] crazyscot.livejournal.comWed 2004-03-17 02:45
I find IRC's quite like that. I have found myself several times having deep private-msg conversations with people, and would in real life have grunted, nodded, offered a hug etc but been totally unsure how to express myself in the ASCII medium.
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[identity profile] senji.livejournal.comWed 2004-03-17 04:27
*nods* *hugs*
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[identity profile] crazyscot.livejournal.comWed 2004-03-17 05:25
That's OK up to a point, but I find myself acutely aware of overusing them at times...
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[personal profile] simontWed 2004-03-17 05:44
Yes. After you've said "*hugs*" for the tenth time running, you start to wonder in what way you're being any more help to your interlocutor than an IRC bot. Real-life hugs, nods and sympathetic looks seem a lot more difficult to overuse, as it were.

(Also I get a similar feeling when someone posts news of a Bad Thing on LJ. If told the same news in reality I wouldn't feel there was anything wrong with being the fifteenth person to hug them in sympathy, but I feel terribly unoriginal if I'm the fifteenth person to leave an LJ comment just saying "*hugs*". So instead I tend to prefix it with something like "This seems terribly unoriginal, but", which I'm unconvinced actually helps but it makes me feel slightly better...)
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[identity profile] angua.livejournal.comWed 2004-03-17 02:53
I sometimes find it a lot easier to help people via email or spodding.. I might be strange but it lets me stay more emotionally detached and think about what I'm saying before I actually send it.

It's useful for me because I've got a very sharp tongue and it's a way of making sure I say what I mean in a more tactful way than I possibly would face to face :)
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[personal profile] simontWed 2004-03-17 02:57
Yeah, I find that too; but occasionally it works against me as well. In the dim and distant past I ran into some trouble as a result of having relationship conversations over email, because when I had as much time as I liked to redraft things before sending them, I found my reason and conscience tended to prevail over my desires - which is great in some cases, but if you overdo it you end up never getting anything you want! I tended to end up being excessively noble and self-sacrificing, and regretting it later. Now I make a point of trying to get a face-to-face conversation as part of any serious relationship talk, even if circumstances dictate that part of it is done by email.
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[personal profile] karen2205Wed 2004-03-17 03:08
I ran into some trouble as a result of having relationship conversations over email, because when I had as much time as I liked to redraft things before sending them, I found my reason and conscience tended to prevail over my desires

God yes - I still do that, and not just in the relationship context. I guess I've kind of overlearnt the lesson about not replying to email while you're cross, so I wait until I can bite my tounge and agree with what was said before replying at all - which I suppose avoids lots of arguments, but isn't always the best thing to do.
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[identity profile] claroscuro.livejournal.comWed 2004-03-17 04:06
I usually adopt the

*big zen hugs*

approach to email where in a conversation i'd hug someone.

perhaps it's just because I mud a lot, but action-rendered-as-text seems perfectly sensible to my brain.

i might well later send a mail with some content, if i thought of some - i guess this being my equivalent to a conversation... you know, hug someone to reassure them I'm listening and care, then think a bit, then try and say something constructive.
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[identity profile] deliberateblank.livejournal.comWed 2004-03-17 04:32
*big zen hugs*

The hug that can be described is not the true hug.
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