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Wed 2008-08-27 19:08
Mathematical Olympic silliness
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[identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.comWed 2008-08-27 22:53
I'm surprised GBR did so well, given the variety of the Olympics, and our comparative tinyness.

I think your method of explaining the ranking is best, but for the record, I wasn't sure if it fit my intuition better to say any scoring system must assign x, y and z points for each gold, silver and bronze medal respectively, and have:

0<x 0<=y<=x 0<=z<=y Which I think is completely equivalent, but made it immediately obvious that you really, really must do it that way.
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[identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.comWed 2008-08-27 22:56
No, wait, cancel that. That's an obvious way of doing it, but yours is more general, because it would (I think) cover any formula, whereas mine covers only linear ones.
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[personal profile] simontWed 2008-08-27 23:02
Also, mine covers non-Archimedean orders. The IOC's ranking system, for instance, is a lexicographic order in which one gold beats any number of silvers; that can't be expressed at all as an additive scheme with a positive real score for each of gold, silver and bronze, because for any additive scheme there must be some number of silvers large enough to beat one gold.
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[identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.comWed 2008-08-27 23:17
Good point. I think I assumed x,y and z would be rational numbers (equivalent to integers), and ignored tie-breaking as some extra step that might or might not involve counting red-haired witch-doctors in each team :)

(Although, I could retrospectively pretend that I intended the domain to include infinite ordinals.)
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[personal profile] simontWed 2008-08-27 23:04
And yes, everyone's a bit surprised GBR did so well. That's why all the news has been saying "wow, we've had a great Olympics"!
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[identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.comWed 2008-08-27 23:13
Oh, right. I haven't been watching any Olympic news whatsoever. (Which I haven't put a lot of effort into avoiding, but I guess I must concede must have been difficult :)) I assumed that was normal and was surprised we usually did that well, rather than surprised we did that well this time :)

I know where some of the Olympics have been, but I slightly embarrassedly admit I don't think I know any of the results, ever.
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