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Wed 2007-09-19 22:13
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I've just been reminded of a thing I've been wondering for a while, which it occurs to me that my readers might be able to help me with.

There are a couple of pairs of words or phrases which are very similar in meaning, but which I vaguely remember having been told, at some point during my childhood, that there was a clear distinction between:

  • ‘Recall’ and ‘recollect’: I remember somebody telling me these described specific and different ways to pull something out of your memory, but web-searching and dictionaries now suggest to me that they are in fact simply synonyms.
  • ‘Polar opposites’ and ‘diametric opposites’: I remember being told that these too were distinct concepts in some specific way, but as far as I can now tell they're both just superlative forms of ‘opposite’ indicating that things are as opposite as they can possibly be.

It's mildly frustrating me that I can't remember what the distinction was supposed to be in either case. I don't much mind whether the distinctions turn out to be real or not (except insofar as their reality would have a bearing on how easy they were to look up), but I would like to know what they might have been.

So I don't suppose anyone else here might believe in a well-defined distinction between either of these pairs of words, and therefore be able to enlighten me as to what either of those distinctions might be? It wouldn't guarantee that they were the same distinctions which I've lost down the back of my brain, of course, but even if not they might jog my memory a bit.

(This is also reminding me, now I come to think about it, of a wordplay-oriented radio panel game I remember listening to as a child, whose actual name I've forgotten but one of whose rounds I remember being called ‘Deft Definitions’. In this round panellists were given a pair of nearly synonymous, or sometimes nearly homophonous, words and were asked to pithily define them both in a single sentence so as to illustrate how they differed. However, unlike the definitions I'm after here, Deft Definitions was humorous in intent: the answers often deliberately missed the real point, because it was funnier that way.)

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[identity profile] feanelwa.livejournal.comWed 2007-09-19 21:34
I think the difference between polar and diametric opposites is that with polar opposites, you can be at one end or the other or somewhere in between the two opposites, but with diametric opposites, you can care very little about which opposite you are closer to but be way out to the side on something tangentially related (am not sure whether that counts as a pun or not). If a family is separated into polar opposites, you are one one side, the other side or stuck uncomfortably in the middle; if it is diametric opposites, you can not give a shit about the first argument but have a second one that is related to the first one that you are really irritated about.
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[personal profile] simontThu 2007-09-20 08:11
Hmm. I chewed on that for a bit, and the following thought crystallised in my mind, which was sort of inspired by what you said and might be seen as consistent with it in the right light, but doesn't really have the same emphasis. How about this:

The diametric opposite of a point in a space is the point in the same space furthest away from it. The polar opposites of a space are the two points furthest away from each other. So there's nothing fundamentally special about two diametrically opposed positions: it's reasonable to talk about a space in which every point is one of a pair of diametric opposites. But polar opposites are a fundamental property of the space you're working in, and if they exist at all then they're unique.

So, if your space of possible opinions looks like a line segment, then there's only one pair of polar-opposite points of view, and everyone can agree on what they are: they're unquestionably the ones at the very ends of the line segment. Whereas if your space of possible opinions looks like a circle, then there are any number of pairs of diametrically opposite points of view, and as you suggest, which pair you consider the most important is up to you.

Hmm. Does that make sense?
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[identity profile] feanelwa.livejournal.comThu 2007-09-20 12:49
Hmm, there's a thought. Yes, I think it does make sense.
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[identity profile] bjh21.livejournal.comThu 2007-09-20 15:37
Curiously, though, the poles of a planet are the two diametrically opposite points on its surface that are closest together.
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[identity profile] valkyriekaren.livejournal.comThu 2007-09-20 09:00
You may find the Bill Bryson book Troublesome Words useful. I can't remember if those particular ones are in there, but it covers lots of commonly misused or overused/cliched terms.
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