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Thu 2007-07-26 19:58
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Every so often, in conversation, I want to describe a commonplace human-scale object being scaled up to ludicrously large proportions. This tends to happen in science-fiction type contexts; for example, I was just whimsically discussing mammoth pieces of cue chalk, in the context of playing ‘celestial snooker’ to deflect an asteroid from an Earth-intersecting orbit. My usual habit in these cases is to describe it as ‘a piece of cue chalk’ (or whatever) ‘the size of New Mexico’; and people occasionally ask me why it always seems to be New Mexico with me.

My best guess is that it's because (as I mention above) the usual conversation of this type is SF-related, or SF-like; and I have a long-standing mental association of New Mexico with science fiction. This is because a lot of SF invents place names on human-colonised planets by means of prepending ‘New’ to some existing Earth place name (up to and including the silly – I'm fairly sure I've seen at least one novel containing a place called ‘New New York’, though I can't place it right now); and when I first saw the name ‘New Mexico’, it was in some SF I was reading as a child (though I can't remember what), and I somehow formed the immediate assumption that it was just another SF place name invented in this way. It was some time later that I discovered it was actually a real place and not one made up by an SF author, and I still remember feeling slightly surprised and disoriented by that. So now, when I'm in an SFish conversation and need the name of a large piece of land for the purpose of illustrating scale, New Mexico tends to be the first one that springs to mind.

Does anyone else have an unusual favourite place name to use for this sort of purpose? (Come to think of it, what would qualify as a usual one? Is there an ISO standard, perhaps, for scale-illustrative place names?)

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[identity profile] ceb.livejournal.comThu 2007-07-26 19:03
Rain forest is always measured in Waleses.
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[identity profile] isihac.livejournal.comThu 2007-07-26 20:31
Nope, Belgium. This is all the fault of Punt and Dennis.

"Every year we destroy a rainforest the size of Belgium. Why not just destroy Belgium? It's so much easier, and more environmentally sound. And so much more fun."

(Paraphrased as it's been a while since I found where my video was lurking.)
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[identity profile] feanelwa.livejournal.comThu 2007-07-26 21:55
And nobody would have to pay to have a piss there anymore.
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[identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.comThu 2007-07-26 23:23
"Belguim. I wouldn't piss on it if had just been nuked."

(Sorry, joking, etc, I just couldn't resist...)
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[identity profile] feanelwa.livejournal.comThu 2007-07-26 23:40
We don't have to nuke them, we could just gently fell the places where they make you pay to have a wee, and make them into useful things, like roads.
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[identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.comThu 2007-07-26 23:22
And I think Cardiff or Swansea or somewhere was ISO standard for other analogies, eg. "enough LSD to get the population of ... ...'d" or "£N^n for every man woman and child in ..." etc...
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[identity profile] naath.livejournal.comFri 2007-07-27 09:50
Isn't it Glaciers that are measured in Waleses?
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[identity profile] vyvyan.livejournal.comThu 2007-07-26 19:43
...‘the size of New Mexico’; and people occasionally ask me why it always seems to be New Mexico with me.

My best guess is that it's because (as I mention above) the usual conversation of this type is SF-related, or SF-like; and I have a long-standing mental association of New Mexico with science fiction.


Er, I'd just have assumed you were quoting Red Dwarf ("blob on the scanner the size of New Mexico" - episode "Back to Reality").
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[identity profile] vyvyan.livejournal.comThu 2007-07-26 19:45
...especially in the context of celestial snooker! (Episode "White Hole")
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[personal profile] simontThu 2007-07-26 22:39
Hmm. That's certainly something I've seen, but I couldn't say whether it's the thing that first brought New Mexico to my attention. I'm fairly sure that the main reason New Mexico stuck in my head is for the reason I quoted (that I initially thought it was made up and was surprised to discover it wasn't), but that could perfectly well have been where I heard of it in order to have this happen to me. (In particular, I'd have had to have heard of New Mexico from somewhere where it wasn't immediately obvious whether it was on or off Earth, and a "the size of" phrase would be a plausible way to arrange that.)

On the other hand, it was a bit recent; in order not to have encountered New Mexico at all by 1992 I'd have had to be spectacularly failing to pay attention. (Not that that's impossible, by any means...)
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[identity profile] 1ngi.livejournal.comThu 2007-07-26 21:23
"biceps the size of Bournmouth"

I believe this is a Blackadder ref, and used because Mr Atkinson has a lovely way of pronouncing his 'b's.

*Bob*, *Bibble*, *Bournmouth*.
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[identity profile] dennyd.livejournal.comThu 2007-07-26 22:30
Futurama is set in New New York.
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[identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.comThu 2007-07-26 22:34
I have the feeling that New Mexico actually prominently featured in one or two science fiction books, and possibly even was torn bodily out the bedrock and took flight, though I suspect that's merely wishful thinking.
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[identity profile] gassulaviya.livejournal.comThu 2007-07-26 22:50
Hee hee. My large place of choice is Lake Michigan... a Red Dwarf reference.

Isn't there a New New New New New New New [...] York in one of the recent Dr Who episodes (second series?)?
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[identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.comThu 2007-07-26 23:25
One of the populist mathematicians actually DID talk about choosing some standard analogies, not for hyperbole, but for genuine analogy. That is, have a mental reference point for 1E3, 1E6, 1E9, 1E12, etc in units of area, volume, people, money, electrons, meters, etc. "Number numbness"
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[identity profile] feanelwa.livejournal.comThu 2007-07-26 23:42
100 micrometres: the thickness of a human hair, as any microscopist kno.
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[personal profile] simontFri 2007-07-27 07:59
Douglas Hofstadter.
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[identity profile] naath.livejournal.comFri 2007-07-27 09:51
Dr Who has a New New York (actually I think it was supposed to be New New New New New New ... New York).
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