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Tue 2004-10-26 15:39
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A woman in the corridor just asked me to let her through a security door, saying she'd forgotten her pass card.

Normally I'm happy to do this if I have some reason to believe that the person does in fact work here (if I see them around regularly, or if someone I do recognise were to vouch for them), but in this case I'd never seen her before in my life. It's extremely likely that she does in fact work here – I'm sure people forget their cards far more often than genuine intruders make a serious attempt to access secure areas in the middle of the working day, and certainly it's not implausible that there are a few legitimate employees round here who I don't recognise. But I couldn't quite bring myself to let her through the security door on this basis, because, well, what do we have these passes for if anyone who can smile sweetly and look plausible gets let in with no questions asked?

So I explained this (not quite that verbosely). ‘Sorry,’ I said. ‘No you're not,’ she replied instantly.

Actually, until she said that, I was. I recognised that it was extremely likely that I was inflicting a minor inconvenience on an innocent person rather than heroically foiling a dangerous intruder. I made the choice I did because the consequences of the latter possibility would have been bad enough to balance out its relative improbability, but I did regret the need to (probably) inconvenience her.

But that's OK, because as soon as she said ‘No you're not’, I decided I wasn't sorry any more. It annoys the hell out of me when people expect that they have a right to be trusted. Trust has to be earned, and if the consequence of this is that leaving your pass at home inconveniences you, well, you were the one who forgot it so you can hardly put all the blame on me. Grump.

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[identity profile] geekette8.livejournal.comTue 2004-10-26 15:07
Hooray for you. This first happened to me when I was walking back to my desk from my "Security in its widest sense" induction the week I joined the company, and I honestly thought it could just as well have been a test! (As it turned out it wasn't a test, and it wasn't an intruder either - just someone who'd forgotten their card).

My feeling would be that if she WAS legitimate, she would not have responded as she did, anyway.

(Hello BTW, just friended you after seeing you on my FOAF page!)
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[personal profile] simontTue 2004-10-26 15:13
My feeling would be that if she WAS legitimate, she would not have responded as she did, anyway.

Not sure about that. I'm pretty confident that people have all sorts of absolutely crazy attitudes to trust and security, so I'd believe practically any response of anyone, innocent or guilty :-)

Hello yourself. I think I've seen you comment on my friends' journals once or twice ([livejournal.com profile] lnr springs to mind), so you're not appearing totally out of the blue :-)
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[personal profile] joshdavisThu 2004-10-28 21:40
Yup. She was a jerk. I've been known to actually pull a door closed after me in a few instances when I thought someone was trying to get in.

I mean, there is a security desk to let people in who forgot their badge. Yes, it's on the other side of the building, but do I want to risk that you got fired yesterday and that I'd be fired tomorrow just because you're too lazy to hop in your car or hoof it to the other side?

Of yource, "you" refers to the imaginary person, and not to you, Simon.
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[identity profile] ex-lark-asc.livejournal.comTue 2004-10-26 15:26
Aww, heheheh *pats the curmudgeon* :)
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[identity profile] vorno.livejournal.comTue 2004-10-26 17:45
You did exactly the right thing dude. Hurrah for you.
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[personal profile] rmc28Tue 2004-10-26 20:34
How bloody rude of her. I would never expect to be let in by a stranger without giving some kind of proof.
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[identity profile] hilarityallen.livejournal.comWed 2004-10-27 08:12
I can see why her response annoyed you; I've had similar issues in college (where there are security doors, as it's just off the main road). Everyone gets the emails which tell you not to allow tailgating through the doors. Everyone gets cross when you don't allow that to happen to someone you don't even faintly recognise. OK, one day this meant getting told rather pissily that the lady to whom I was refusing access was a fellow of the college, but frankly, if she wants me to let her through the door without asking questions, she should at least turn up at college often enough for me to recognise her.
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[personal profile] simontWed 2004-10-27 08:27
When I did summer jobs at DEC, they mostly used full-height turnstiles rather than doors, so that it was impossible to tailgate. Also, the doors tracked which people they thought had gone through them, so a door wouldn't open if it thought you already ought to be on the other side of it. This meant that although you could apply your card to the turnstile and let someone else walk through it in place of you, you would then be unable to go anywhere yourself until Security sorted it out. (This had the entertaining effect that every time there was a fire drill and we all vacated the building through the unmonitored fire door, the computers had to be manually unconfused before any of us could get back in.)

This seemed like a lot of hassle at the time and possibly overkill for the security needs, but it only now begins to occur to me that it solved a lot of the social problems, since nobody would ever ask you to let them through, or try to tailgate you, or insist that you should have done either of the above. If you forgot your pass, you had to convince Security of who you were and be issued with a temporary one for the day, and if you couldn't convince Security then you just had to go home and get your pass. As a result there never seemed to be any hassle at all with passes, so perhaps it wasn't so stupid a mechanism after all.
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[identity profile] geekette8.livejournal.comWed 2004-10-27 08:33
Exactly. If I ever refuse to let someone in behind me and their attitude is "Don't you *know* who I am?", my response will be "No, but if you're important enough that I *ought* to know who you are then you should be able to understand the importance of the security rules!".
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[personal profile] pm215Wed 2004-10-27 09:01
Also, anybody who thinks 'sorry' in general conversation means anything more than "I am aware that this inconveniences you" is deluding themselves.
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[identity profile] aiwendel.livejournal.comWed 2004-10-27 09:22
well done for doing the right thing, even though its tough...
She could always have rung up someone in her office and got them to let her in if she was legit....

xxxxxx
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