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Sun 2004-10-10 10:43
Rant about hymns

I've always had a problem with hymns. Now I'm entirely atheist, so one might reasonably assume that my problem with hymns springs from that. But it doesn't, in fact; as both a sci-fi reader and a pure mathematician (readers can choose whichever of those analogies they feel is more appropriate ;-) I have a strong ability to work within a set of axioms I don't personally believe, and when I look at the words to a hymn my feeling mostly tends to be ‘yes, all that makes perfect sense if you start from those premises’. Devout Christians clearly don't live on the same planet as me, but I can visit their planet in my mind without too much difficulty.

Where I start to have a problem is where the hymn departs from my expectation of it given what I imagine to be the premises of its author. Specifically: hymns are, as I understand it, written by deeply religious people who consider the glorification of God to be a major, if not the paramount, duty and privilege in their life. This being the case, I would expect hymn writers to either do a really good job of it, or find someone else who could. Not so much in the words – not being a believer myself I'm not really qualified to judge the quality of the words in a hymn – but more in the music. In my experience hymn music, by and large, sucks.

This is particularly noticeable as a non-believer, because when I go to the occasional church service (weddings and so forth), I don't already know the hymn tunes; so I bluff and mumble my way through the first verse while listening carefully, and thereby hope to have learned the tune for when the second verse comes round. But in most cases I don't, because the tune looks as if someone slung a bunch of notes together in an almost entirely random order and it is simply Not Memorable. Every time my finely honed musical instincts think it's obvious what the next few notes are going to be, they do something totally different; and not something inspired and better which leaves me thinking ‘wow’, but something totally random that leaves me thinking ‘Huh? What was the point of doing that then? The tune isn't going anywhere!’.

I've had this rant brewing for several years now, and was reminded of it by the wedding I went to yesterday (although this is not primarily a rant about that wedding; a couple of yesterday's hymns were well above average). So I've ranted it in person at a few people since then, and the most common response I get is ‘no, that's not quite fair, there are one or two good hymns, how about <foo>?’. I'm unconvinced that being told there are ‘one or two’ good hymns is actually a contradiction of my claim that most hymn music is drivel :-)

And the thing is, it isn't as if religious composers aren't capable of doing a good job. A lot of Christmas carols, for example, are really good, or if not really good at least decent workmanlike jobs in which the musical structure makes sense, with a sensible balance between repeating melodic motifs and introducing new material, with a harmonic structure which moves from a beginning to a middle to a resolution in a comprehensible manner. More like that, please, and less of the kind that sound as if someone attached a random number generator to a pipe organ.

Right, rant over. Offended Christians can start shouting at me now…

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[identity profile] vyvyan.livejournal.comSun 2004-10-10 10:07
I'm neither offended nor a Christian, but I can't say I've really noticed hymn music being crap on the whole. I became very familiar with a lot of the material from Hymns Ancient and Modern: New Standard which we used at school. Most of those hymns seemed to "make sense" in terms of where the tune went (a lot of them seemed to have 4 lines, with a pitch peak towards the end of the 3rd line, and a return to the pitch of the beginning of the verse in the 4th line). But perhaps my musical instincts are inadequate :-) (I certainly don't have any formal musical training, beyond being able to read music.)
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[identity profile] senji.livejournal.comSun 2004-10-10 10:12
Sing some better hymns :-)

The Wesleys, in particular, set words to secular music of the day; so you might have a better strike rate among things they wrote or arranged.
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[personal profile] simontSun 2004-10-10 10:17
As it happens, there was a Wesley hymn among yesterday's collection, and it was indeed one of the better ones. Since it contained two-part harmony it was rather hard for me to sing without already knowing it, but it did sound good.
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[identity profile] the-aviator.livejournal.comSun 2004-10-10 11:11
I certainly agree! In my experience of hymns the music seemed to make sense before circa 1930 when the first murmerings of "making it fun" came along and spoilt the whole bloody thing. Trying to fit memorable notes to any concept more complicated than "oh we are so small and inferior, don't squash us please oh god" is always going to be a challenge, and the moment the modernisers try to squeeze "God is like a microwave oven" in to a tonic scale you know they're asking for trouble.
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[identity profile] megamole.livejournal.comSun 2004-10-10 13:18
"Jet planes meeting in the air to be refuelled"...

Puh-LEEZE.

(And yes, that WAS a pointed quote...)
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[identity profile] splodgenoodles.livejournal.comSun 2004-10-10 11:44
Hi. You're on my friends'friends page.

I'm not musical, nor Christian (raised as one though which is why I liked your post)...I think you're right, but I eventually decided the idea was to create songs that a bunch of random individuals with no particular musical talent or extra special voices could muddle through without too much stress.

At least that's what you'd think if you grew up in the church that I did.

Some friends of mine were getting married, and the best advice the priest gave them was that they should pick the easy hymns that people have probably heard somewhere before. Apparently when there's a couple of songs everyone can sing, they always come out saying what a nice wedding it was.

According to the priest, the words, and the actual beauty of the tune, don't seem to matter.
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[identity profile] megamole.livejournal.comSun 2004-10-10 13:18
Well, I'm a Christian AND a musician, and I happen to agree. There are a LOT of crap tunes out there. But there are some which are just bloody wonderful, which can be grouped into broad categories such as
Welsh classics (Cwm Rhondda, Hyfrydol, Blaenwern), over-the-top but wonderful (Leoni, Helmsley), Great Old English (Song 10, Tallis' Canon, Old Hundredth) and Great Lutheran Moments (Passion Chorale, Austria) etc.

As for "worship songs", don't get me started. I'm a young old smells-and-bells fogey and proud of it.

And hymns have to be easy to learn and sing - the point at least partially is audience participation. I can cite (and have in my collection) truly wonderful religious music that fulfils all the criteria you spell out; the problem with it, should it be used as a hymn, is that Joe Schmoe can't join in.
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[personal profile] simontSun 2004-10-10 13:54
I agree that being easy to learn and sing is an important criterion; but part of what I'm complaining about in the random-notes style of hymn is precisely that the lack of conceptual coherence in the melody makes it difficult to remember from one verse to the next, and thus hard to learn. Though perhaps this is only something I notice given some musical training, and would be oblivious to if my approach to learning new tunes was more rote and less to do with understanding what the tune was trying to do.
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[identity profile] hilarityallen.livejournal.comSun 2004-10-10 21:59
Some hymns do reuse tunes, which helps.
I know the problem with singing along - I found this when I moved to Repton, and met a whole load of Anglican hymns. OK, I got to see the music, but when you turned over the page for verses 2-9,9999, mostly the music was not intuitive enough for one to remember where it might be going, leading to a mad flapping of pages.
This might have something to do with there being a relatively small number of things you can write which fit the terribly restricted rhythm of most hymns AND which make much musical sense.
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[identity profile] the-alchemist.livejournal.comSun 2004-10-10 17:28
In my church, we sing all the hymns in the book every year(the book being the New English Hymnal, which is better than all the other hymnals. I'd say about a quarter of them are 'really good', half are 'good' and a quarter are 'not up to the job', though since (as you say) the job is such an important job, that doesn't necessarily mean they're *bad* as such.

I've been to quite a few weddings with crappy hymns though, so maybe that's the problem. On the other hand, I've also been to quite a few weddings with brilliant hymns.

Singing 'Jerusalem' and weddings is generally frowned upon by People With Good Taste, but I think I would like it at my wedding.
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[identity profile] megamole.livejournal.comMon 2004-10-11 08:14
Yay! Another NEH supporter!
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[identity profile] fluffyrichard.livejournal.comSun 2004-10-10 21:00
I remember from school that there were a few wonderful hymn tunes, a lot of reasonable ones, and a few terrible ones. I think we used the New English Hymnal. The terrible ones were generally more recently written - either because only the good hymns last for a long time, or because of some change in the taste/aims of hymn writers/selectors.

I always preferred the psalms to the hymns though. Mainly because there is more to singing a psalm really well than singing a hymn really well.
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[identity profile] hilarityallen.livejournal.comSun 2004-10-10 21:56
I've thought of something about the words: there is the problem of heresy. As in, we have a series of anodyne words in case we offend God/the Establishment/get our feet burned off in this life or the next.

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[identity profile] teleute.livejournal.comMon 2004-10-11 14:51
i must say that i'm not overly impressed with most hymn tunes. However, I'm not impressed with them because they are uninteresting and obvious. Personally I find most hymns boring to sing because they never tax me.

Possibly this is a difference between America and England, but since we use the same hymnal in the Episcopal church and C of E, I doubt it. It must just come down to what your expectations are. Most hymns in my mind are very similar, which means what they are going to do next is very obvious to me. Possibly I just think like an 1800s composer ;-)
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[identity profile] mtbc100.livejournal.comMon 2004-10-11 15:35
I suppose that I should mention some comments (http://www.google.com/groups?selm=cMC*550qq%40news.chiark.greenend.org.uk&output=gplain) and a few more comments (http://www.google.com/groups?selm=2As*WW4qq%40news.chiark.greenend.org.uk&output=gplain) that I already made on this sort of thing. So, largely, I agree about the general problem.
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