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simont ([personal profile] simont) wrote2003-07-21 01:51 pm

‘So; what next?’

A lot of people have very irritating habits. I wonder how many have a very irritating habit which only irritates themselves.

I have. It's a habit that suggests I'm used to being involved in far more ongoing planned activity than I usually in fact am. What happens is: when I'm alone, and not immediately doing anything, and find myself with a few moments in which my brain isn't occupied (this doesn't necessarily mean I'm sitting on the sofa – I could be walking from place to place or other autopilot-driven sorts of activities), I'll sit back and relax. About five seconds later, apparently triggered by the act of sitting back and relaxing, a very strong reflex will cause me to metaphorically sit up and say to myself ‘So; what next?’; and then I'll begin to mentally take stock of my situation, review any ongoing plans I have in the middle of execution, and make a mental note of what I need to remember to do about them next.

This would probably be an extremely useful habit if I had a situation to speak of, if I remotely often had a complex master plan for my life, and if there was anything I needed to remember to do next. Sadly, this is not the case; my life is lived largely in a routine, and when I do have plans they're usually the sort that can be fulfilled through the mechanism of that routine. So what actually happens is I think to myself ‘So, what next?’, and then realise there is no ongoing planning activity I actually need to do right now. So I sigh with pleasure and settle back to actually relax. And then, five seconds later, because I've just relaxed, my brain goes round the same loop again. ‘So, what next?’ At which point I start to get annoyed, because whatever part of me triggers this mental stocktaking isn't getting the message that it's been done.

It wouldn't be so bad if I could work out how I acquired this habit. If I'd spent years of my life in incredibly complex situations and constantly being at risk of forgetting something vital, it would be an obviously reasonable habit to have picked up; but looking back over my life, I can't think of anything that would really fit that description.

Perhaps it's a sort of guilt reaction to the idea of relaxing and enjoying myself at all – perhaps, whenever I relax, some part of my brain wants to know whether there's something more important I ought to be doing instead. I wish I knew.

[identity profile] mtbc100.livejournal.com 2003-07-21 06:07 am (UTC)(link)
I think I acquired this sort of habit through being self-employed: there are lots of things that need to be done for the business, and there isn't enough time to do even the important ones, so I feel guilty about times when I'm not working but could be. My usual, "well, they're at least getting what they're paying for and what was promised" doesn't work when I am them. I wonder if being involved with free software that many others use could cause a similar effect, through knowledge of the further work you could be doing on it.

[identity profile] ex-lark-asc.livejournal.com 2003-07-21 06:38 am (UTC)(link)
Isn't that just the same thing as liking to keep busy?

It does seem to be remarkably difficult to train oneself out of the 'what have I missed?' reflex - what you say reminds me of my 'Have I turned the cooker off?' problem..

[identity profile] damerell.livejournal.com 2003-07-21 01:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Some people can't stand to do nothing - I can't unless I'm actually asleep.

[identity profile] atreic.livejournal.com 2003-07-21 06:40 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not sure - maybe the maths tripos does it to people, I suffer from it myself.

Then again, normally when I sit down to relax there *is* a huge list of things I've forgotten that need urgently dealing with...

[identity profile] j4.livejournal.com 2003-07-21 06:55 am (UTC)(link)
This would probably be an extremely useful habit if I had a situation to speak of, if I remotely often had a complex master plan for my life, and if there was anything I needed to remember to do next. Sadly, this is not the case [my emphasis]

Doesn't this rather suggest that this "habit" is born of your (subconscious?) wish that you did have some kind of master plan, that you did have something to be working towards?

Not that I have any advice on how to acquire a Master Plan, or how to achieve it once you have it... <sigh>

[identity profile] j4.livejournal.com 2003-07-21 07:25 am (UTC)(link)
I'm usually reluctant to impute "subconscious wishes" to myself or to anyone else

Wariness about imputing stuff to the "subconscious" is a healthy thing, I think; on the other hand, I do know that I often wish stuff without really acknowledging that wish to myself (let alone to other people), and it's only when I think "Why am I doing this?" that I realise what I really want to happen. (Think of it sort of like a more passive version of being in denial about things.) ... I could think of examples but they're all a bit too close to the bone right now & I'm trying not to discuss them too much in my own journal. :-/

I'm more inclined to see the subconscious - certainly my subconscious - as an engine whose main function is to acquire and pursue habits and instincts

Why do you think it acquires those habits? Do you think it's just a machine without any kind of reason, without any sort of connection to you-the-thinking-being-with-reason-and-desires?

But then, just because I don't like Freud's tone of voice doesn't necessarily mean he was 100% full of shit

I think in a way his groundbreakingness was more important than whether he was actually right about everything. The idea of a "subconscious" isn't solely Freudian though!

and certainly doesn't mean you are

Why thank you. :) Your faith in me is touching and probably misplaced!

I wonder how I could find out...

I don't think there's any way you can find out for certain. It's not as if you can stick a bit of litmus paper into your brain and have it change colour if you do have subconscious desires. :) I think the only thing you can really do is try to think about what you want from life, and whether you're being honest with yourself about stuff. And (possibly relevant in this case, but I don't know) whether you're trying to convince yourself that you're happy with what you have when perhaps you aren't...

On the other hand I feel like I don't want to encourage you into the sort of obsessive self-analysis that I've got myself into, because a lot of the time it just makes me miserable and frustrated and uncertain about everything. <sigh>
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[identity profile] ewx.livejournal.com 2003-07-21 07:33 am (UTC)(link)
"don't psychoanalyze me in that tone of voice!"
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[identity profile] ewx.livejournal.com 2003-07-21 08:09 am (UTC)(link)
[livejournal.com profile] kaet made it...
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advice on how to acquire a Master Plan

[identity profile] ewx.livejournal.com 2003-07-21 07:34 am (UTC)(link)
Invade Poland, play it by ear thereafter.

[identity profile] kaet.livejournal.com 2003-07-24 05:32 am (UTC)(link)
If there's something in front of me, I will read it. Even if there are much better things to do with my time. The biggest culprit here is the newspaper.