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simont ([personal profile] simont) wrote2010-08-11 11:58 am

More words I wish there were

Words for similar but distinct concepts, that are not themselves similar. The ELF standard for object and executable files contains two concepts which are similar enough to confuse, but different enough that it's normally important not to confuse them, and they're called ‘section’ and ‘segment’. I often wish they'd been called by more obviously different names: ‘section’ and ‘kangaroo’, or something. And I was just reminded this morning of another similar case: ‘project manager’ and ‘product manager’ as distinct corporate roles.

If two concepts are similar but distinct, the words for them should not reflect this by also being similar but distinct! They should be as different as possible.

Moral versus probabilistic ‘expect’. This might fall into the same general category as yesterday's moral vs tactical ‘should’, though I'm not sure whether ‘probabilistic’ and ‘tactical’ are similar enough for it to count. But even if so, it's a particularly noticeable sub-case of it and worth mentioning in its own right.

Imagine a parent saying to a child, before going to visit someone for the day, ‘Now I expect you to be on your best behaviour’; and then, when the child has left the room to get ready, they turn to their co-parent and say ruefully ‘I expect him to throw a huge screaming tantrum, so we'd better be ready to leave in a hurry’. Two clearly distinct words for ‘expect’, please!

(Anonymous) 2010-08-11 11:22 am (UTC)(link)
Are you determined to remove all the things that make English actually worth speaking, and reduce it to something computer-parsable?

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(Anonymous) 2010-08-11 01:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Did I make that point about the first such comment in two days, or the fourth?

S.

(Anonymous) 2010-08-11 01:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, one or two looks like a couple of things you've noticed. Four in two days starts to look like a general principle.

S.

[identity profile] ptc24.livejournal.com 2010-08-11 05:05 pm (UTC)(link)
"More words I wish there were"

S: Are you determined to remove all the things... and reduce it...

(Anonymous) 2010-08-11 05:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, this'll be in the way that adding more explanation to a joke doesn't reduce the funny?

S.

[identity profile] ptc24.livejournal.com 2010-08-11 06:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Not necessarily.