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simont ([personal profile] simont) wrote2008-08-18 02:55 pm

Strange email

I had an odd email this weekend. Someone mailed me about a couple of minor points on my website, and then added at the end of the message that he found it curious that I hadn't written anything about religion. He said, in particular, that he thought knowing something about what I believed in that area might, in his words, ‘shed some light on an important aspect of [my] personality’.

Well, I was willing enough to answer his question in private email. It's true that I've never bothered to mention on my main website that I'm an atheist, but that's not out of any strong feeling that it's Nobody Else's Business; partly it's because I'd expect any such mention to attract too much email flamage to be worth the trouble, but mostly I've just never felt that I had anything particularly interesting or original to say on the subject. (And if I did, it would more likely be a vague musing to mention in passing in this diary, rather than something to publish on my permanent website as a Serious Essay intended to attract ongoing widespread interest.)

But it struck me as particularly strange that someone might feel their understanding of me as a person was noticeably incomplete without knowing my religion. I mean, I wouldn't be at all surprised to find there are people whose religion is responsible for significant aspects of their personality (e.g. if their personality changed noticeably when they converted). And I certainly know there are people who at least believe their religion is the most important thing about them: I occasionally come across LJ bios saying faintly nauseating things like ‘The most important fact about me is that I love God’, or ‘I'm a Fooist, and once you know that, you know everything you need to about me’. (My general feeling tends to be that if they say everything else about them is even less interesting than their religion, I'm willing to take their word for it.)

But it's always seemed to me that such people are a small minority: for the most part I wouldn't have said there was any particularly noticeable divide of personality between the various theists and atheists I know. So when I meet somebody new, I've never felt a particular need to know about their religion, beyond finding out whether or not they're the sort of person who makes an overwhelmingly big deal of it. Sometimes I've managed to know people for years before finding out that they've been a devout Fooist all along and I'd never known – and once I've blinked a couple of times, it generally alters my attitude to them not one jot.

Am I unusual in this? Does anyone else round here feel that their understanding of someone's personality is necessarily (or even usually) incomplete without some knowledge of their attitude to religion?

[identity profile] the-alchemist.livejournal.com 2008-08-18 03:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Feel free to unscreen.

The best attempt I've had at explaining it so far is here (http://wildeabandon.livejournal.com/213154.html?thread=2450338#t2450338).

Also, I think there's quite a large chance I'm so much happier as a Christian than as an atheist, and also make other people happier, that I'd rather delude myself.

And thirdly, I think the common arguments why Pascal's Wager is wrong are stupid, so I see no reason not to follow it. I do plan to write about this in my lj at some point, but don't have the time now.

[identity profile] ex-robhu.livejournal.com 2008-08-18 09:24 pm (UTC)(link)
And thirdly, I think the common arguments why Pascal's Wager is wrong are stupid, so I see no reason not to follow it. I do plan to write about this in my lj at some point, but don't have the time now.
I look forward to this post.

[identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com 2008-08-19 01:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm interested too at some point -- there seem to be so many arguments against Pascal's wager, (expressed much more amusingly to people who ever studied measure theory in probability). I think the confusion often comes because people arguing against Pascal's Wager assume God-as-commonly-understood is clearly untenable, and is no more likely that any other, hypothetical, belief system (in which case I don't think Pascal's Wager does make sense); whereas people arguing for imagine that God-as-commonly-understood, along with a relatively small number of other options, are the only plausible choices (in which case, Pascal's Wager does make sense).