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simont ([personal profile] simont) wrote2008-08-18 02:55 pm

Strange email

I had an odd email this weekend. Someone mailed me about a couple of minor points on my website, and then added at the end of the message that he found it curious that I hadn't written anything about religion. He said, in particular, that he thought knowing something about what I believed in that area might, in his words, ‘shed some light on an important aspect of [my] personality’.

Well, I was willing enough to answer his question in private email. It's true that I've never bothered to mention on my main website that I'm an atheist, but that's not out of any strong feeling that it's Nobody Else's Business; partly it's because I'd expect any such mention to attract too much email flamage to be worth the trouble, but mostly I've just never felt that I had anything particularly interesting or original to say on the subject. (And if I did, it would more likely be a vague musing to mention in passing in this diary, rather than something to publish on my permanent website as a Serious Essay intended to attract ongoing widespread interest.)

But it struck me as particularly strange that someone might feel their understanding of me as a person was noticeably incomplete without knowing my religion. I mean, I wouldn't be at all surprised to find there are people whose religion is responsible for significant aspects of their personality (e.g. if their personality changed noticeably when they converted). And I certainly know there are people who at least believe their religion is the most important thing about them: I occasionally come across LJ bios saying faintly nauseating things like ‘The most important fact about me is that I love God’, or ‘I'm a Fooist, and once you know that, you know everything you need to about me’. (My general feeling tends to be that if they say everything else about them is even less interesting than their religion, I'm willing to take their word for it.)

But it's always seemed to me that such people are a small minority: for the most part I wouldn't have said there was any particularly noticeable divide of personality between the various theists and atheists I know. So when I meet somebody new, I've never felt a particular need to know about their religion, beyond finding out whether or not they're the sort of person who makes an overwhelmingly big deal of it. Sometimes I've managed to know people for years before finding out that they've been a devout Fooist all along and I'd never known – and once I've blinked a couple of times, it generally alters my attitude to them not one jot.

Am I unusual in this? Does anyone else round here feel that their understanding of someone's personality is necessarily (or even usually) incomplete without some knowledge of their attitude to religion?

[identity profile] the-alchemist.livejournal.com 2008-08-18 04:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm raising the possibility that you and I are the innumerate or tone-deaf or colour-blind ones, and that the thing which other people can see and we can't might be real, rather than a delusion on their part.

But I don't think an innumerate person would be able to articulate why mathematics as we understand it doesn't work (because it does!) or a tone-deaf person why all notes are actually the same (because they're not!), or a colour-blind person that there's no physical difference between red and green paint (because there is!)

However, I have never seen an attempt to prove God's existence where the 'evidence' offered can't be attributed to a cause other than God with more probability than it can be attributed to God. Richard Dawkins is rather good at articulating specific examples of how this can be done. I contend there's a good reason why there isn't a Richard Dawkins of colour-blind people writing books called The Colour Delusion!

In response to your last point, this is what I was getting at in the last paragraph of my previous comment, the one in brackets. What I said only applies to Type 2s (of course you get other sorts of atheist), and to really quite intelligent ones. And there probably *are* super-intelligent Type 2s who turn into Type 1s - if you say your friend is one I believe you - I just think they're rare.

[identity profile] ex-robhu.livejournal.com 2008-08-18 09:19 pm (UTC)(link)
And there probably *are* super-intelligent Type 2s who turn into Type 1s - if you say your friend is one I believe you - I just think they're rare.
I'm definitely not super intelligent.