ext_8145 ([identity profile] atreic.livejournal.com) wrote in [personal profile] simont 2005-08-17 11:47 am (UTC)

Err, no it's not. At least, it never was at my dad's church, and it wasn't at Col and Kirstens wedding. OK, that's a small sample size, but it's 100% of all catholic services I've been to. What makes you say it's "usually" included?
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